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So since everyone is bawling with reverence over Michael Jackson now that he's dead, does this mean that when O.J. kicks the bucket that everyone will forget that he butchered two people? Will ESPN run retrospectives of his Hertz commercials and reruns of First and Ten?

Date: 2009-06-26 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
Was not just talking about that.

Was talking about the messy criminal thing he was recently convicted for.

There WAS proof on that.

Date: 2009-06-26 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Jackson admitted to sharing beds with strange children.

How is that appropriate?

Date: 2009-06-26 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
I'm not saying it IS appropriate, but sharing a bed does not equal molestation. And even then it's on the parents of those kids, isn't it? Last I heard, they were there with the kids he is accused of molesting.

I'm pondering whether he's actually somewhat emotionally retarded...

Date: 2009-06-26 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
A middle aged man should not be sharing Hot Wheels sheets with a child, even if they were pimped out by their parents (which it seems they were). Is a john any less culpable than a pimp? We're not talking about entrapment here. It's about what is and is not appropriate behavior between adults and children. That includes not dangling infants out of windows.

I won't even get into MJ's financial debacles, which were numerous to the point of HALF A BILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT.

Date: 2009-06-26 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shutter.livejournal.com
so if the weird 40 year old man down the street from you starting hosting sleepovers for the local elementary school boys, you wouldn't bat an eye?

Date: 2009-06-26 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
Not saying I wouldn't bat an eye... but I wouldn't accuse him of child molestation right off.

Date: 2009-06-26 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
...I really, really don't want to think that anyone, especially you, is that HOPELESSLY NAIVE.

Date: 2009-06-26 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gynocide.livejournal.com
WOW. Do you have children?

Date: 2009-06-26 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
No, I don't have kids.

Then again, likely if you saw ME on the street, you probably wouldn't want any of YOUR kids hanging out with me either.

Date: 2009-06-26 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gynocide.livejournal.com
Actually, I have no idea what you look like or what you're about. I'm trying to find out before I rip you a new asshole about being naive.

For your reference, I look like this:

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That's my friend's kid. I don't have children of my own. But I am a rape survivor. And I used to be a prison guard and dealt with sexual predators. I'm not goddamned Clarice Starling or any shit, but I'm kinda interested in your views.


Date: 2009-06-26 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
I'm kinda interested in your views.

Why? No one else seems to be. And I'm not just talking here. I'm talking in general.

I'm a child abuse survivor myself. Nothing sexual from my parents, but I can't say the same for former... acquaintances.

Why you would rip me apart for being naieve is beyond me.

Then again, I've had my judgment questioned constantly and all my life, and told I don't know anything, so why the F&(*(* this should be any different...

The reason I'm not ENTIRELY sure I believe MJ to be a child molester is because the impression he gives me, even now, is of being a lost child himself.

If you want to rip me a new asshole for that, then you're doing what everyone else in my life has already done and invalidated my feelings and opinions on things, so I guess I ought to be used to it, right?

Date: 2009-06-26 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gynocide.livejournal.com
My problem with people like Michael Jackson and Kobe Bryant has more to do with how we worship celebrities in this culture. They do very little work for a ridiculous amount of money and some of them do whatever they want to others.

I don't know you personally or your life experience, so like I said, I was trying to find out before saying WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING?!

If people are dicks to you that sucks. I wouldn't walk around with my tail between my legs over it though.

Date: 2009-06-26 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
I wouldn't walk around with my tail between my legs over it though.

And how many times have you had YOUR trust violated every time you really thought you could trust someone?

Personally, I've had enough of that for at least this lifetime.

Date: 2009-06-26 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gynocide.livejournal.com
Lots. But if I let it get me down they win.

Date: 2009-06-26 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caitlin.livejournal.com
So when was the first time you heard that you were worthless?

I think that started age 3 for me. From my parents.

Then it was "you're worthless except for your grades which aren't that good anyway"... same source.

Then being treated BY AN ENTIRE SCHOOL like you had some nasty disease... and that people you had thought were friends were "gathering information" so that the bullies could bully worse.

yes, okay, I have issues.

"If I let it get me down they win" you say?

who just threatened to rip me a new asshole?

Date: 2009-06-26 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gynocide.livejournal.com
I wasn't threatening. I have had a tendency to go off on people though without knowing where they're coming from. Didn't say I was perfect or 100% healthy, but I work on it.

I have a family member that implies on a daily basis that I'm an idiot. That's her dysfunction more than it is mine.
Edited Date: 2009-06-26 10:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-26 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bullandterrier.livejournal.com
The reason I'm not ENTIRELY sure I believe MJ to be a child molester is because the impression he gives me, even now, is of being a lost child himself.

i agree with this actually. it's still weird as fuck to me that he's had little kids in his bed and all that shit but i don't believe he's capable of attempting anything sexual with anyone or anything. he is so incredibly regressed. well.. was..

Date: 2009-06-26 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiesiannan.livejournal.com
Regressed doesn't mean asexual.

He struck me as someone who could only relate on any level to children, and that includes sexually. He had the money to buy anything he wanted, including complicity.

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